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Develop and improve products. Or that when you're looking for money, you're doing it for nefarious reasons. Sometimes I had to get a shot for my dog or something. Or when I was tap dancing in Europe, I was trying to raise enough money to get my dog's plane ticket back. People generally look down on you. Why'd you get into it? I was living in Toronto, and I had a friend staying with me. A friend of hers was hitchhiking from Halifax to British Columbia, I said he could stop in at my place and stay the night.
I fell in love with him. I ended up going to BC to get to know him better. Squatting in NYC is legal, so the laws there at the time were if a building is occupied [by squatters] for ten years or more, it's an official squat. The city couldn't legally evict people. The first few years we lived there, there was no running water. We shit in bags and peed in bottles.
The last few years I lived there, there was running water and a communal shower that we used. What did your parents think about it? They thought it was very "me," very eclectic. They did worry, but I was an adult. There was nothing they could do.
They figured it was something I was going to do for now, which is what it was. But it shaped me forever more; it's very much a part of who I am and my friends are very close and dear friends. I don't hang out on the street anymore because I have a house, but I feel I haven't changed ideologically.
What did your days look like? I tap danced and performed for money. I did a lot of writing, traveling, drinking, and having fun. When I wasn't squatting, most of my time was spent looking for food or looking for a place to stay. It would take me hours to find a good spot. I used to sleep on roofs a lot because I figured those were safer—I didn't want to sleep on the street. I'd go dumpster diving. Checking the food and hoping there weren't any weird chemicals poured over it. I traveled by hitchhiking and train-hopping.
When you're hitchhiking, it takes two to three times longer to get anywhere. When you're train-hopping, you don't always end up where you intend. You spend time waiting for trains in yards, dealing with bulls that either kick you off or call the cops. They all wear studs and patches, whatever. Some kids are travelers. But travelers will only consider people they meet on the road crusties.
Even someone who goes to college can be a crustie. It depends on who you ask, but I think whoever calls themselves a crustie could be a crustie. Even a hippie could be a fucking crustie. You ever been to Tompkins Square Park? Have you ever been down Dope Fiend Alley? All night on St. Marks Place down to the Astor Place cube.
Anyway, people that are on the road are crusties because of the lifestyle and politics, not because of music so much. In some cases, yeah. Fuck all that. How do crust punks rebel against the government? Ask me when was the last time I paid taxes. Is that a defining factor? A gutter punk smells and a crustie smells. A gutter punk is just a more alcoholic version of a crustie. A crustie is a garbage head. Why did you leave NYC to come out to Portland? My time was up in New York.
Portland is the opposite of New York. He was from a church and just wanted to do something nice and make sure we were okay. I worked for this money. If I have a guitar or instrument, I just busk with no sign.
Dude you fucked that crust punk chick last night? You must be hella desperate. Crust Punk.
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